irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Tue Jul 1 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-07-01 00:22 -!- jiayingz_(~IceChat7@202.106.180.68) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-01 01:03 -!- zbot(wan@209.67.252.126) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-01 01:09 -!- jiayingz(~jiayingz@207.47.98.129.static.nextweb.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-01 02:15 -!- jiayingz_(~IceChat7@202.106.180.68) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-01 03:49 -!- jiayingz_(~IceChat7@202.106.180.68) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-01 03:54 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@154.Red-79-146-251.staticIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-01 04:02 -!- jiayingz_(~IceChat7@202.106.180.68) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-01 08:29 versioning fuzztest ran to 1,000,000 2008-07-01 08:29 at the end there were 179 versions 2008-07-01 10:27 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@154.Red-79-146-251.staticIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-01 12:19 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-01 15:58 zissues: Issue 161 in zumastor: ddsnap agent fails with not console message if it cannot open its log files 2008-07-01 16:25 -!- jiayingz_(~jiayingz@202.106.180.68) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-01 17:04 zissues: Issue 162 in zumastor: Daemonize trying to do too much irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Wed Jul 2 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-07-02 00:28 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-02 01:15 -!- erwan_taf(~erwan@LAubervilliers-151-13-63-69.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-02 02:36 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@61.Red-81-39-98.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-02 08:14 -!- CIA-4(~CIA@208.69.182.149) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-02 13:15 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@27.Red-81-44-176.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-02 17:33 -!- jiayingz_(~jiayingz@202.106.180.68) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-02 18:33 -!- mitchg(~mitchg@207.47.98.129.static.nextweb.net) has joined #zumastor irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Thu Jul 3 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-07-03 00:36 -!- erwan_taf(~erwan@LAubervilliers-151-13-63-69.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-03 01:20 -!- erwan_taf(~erwan@LAubervilliers-151-13-63-69.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-03 03:57 -!- zumbi_(~zumbi@193.132.219.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-03 04:31 zissues: Issue 161 in zumastor: ddsnap agent fails with no console message if it cannot open its log files 2008-07-03 04:35 -!- erwan_taf(~erwan@LAubervilliers-151-13-63-69.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-03 12:32 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@61.Red-81-39-98.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Fri Jul 4 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-07-04 00:45 -!- erwan_taf(~erwan@81.80.43.67) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-04 12:18 -!- fiol(~fiol@168.Red-83-37-26.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-04 12:18 Hello, I am giving zumastor a try. 2008-07-04 12:19 I would like to build the kernel modules in a more debian way... i.e. by using my current kernel-headers package 2008-07-04 12:20 Is that possible at all? Or is it necessary to patch sources in the kernel other than adding the zumastor-related modules? 2008-07-04 12:21 fiol: you need to patch the kernel sources, it's not possible to build ddsnap as a module 2008-07-04 12:21 only 2008-07-04 12:23 Ok. Thank you very much, pgquiles. In that case, I will install your kernel-image directly to try, and I will see later on. 2008-07-04 12:23 One more question: 2008-07-04 12:24 I am thinking about using zumastor for remote replication and snapshotting as 2008-07-04 12:24 follows... 2008-07-04 12:24 original ----DSL link----- replica + snapshots of replica 2008-07-04 12:25 Do you think this may be reasonable, or am I completely fool? 2008-07-04 12:25 original contains about 80Gb data at the moment, and: 2008-07-04 12:26 I am in no hurry for incremental replication 2008-07-04 12:26 I can make a first replica by using a local network, and then move the replica machine away. 2008-07-04 12:27 WDYT? Is zumastor what I need? 2008-07-04 12:27 I used rsync in a similar environment with success (nightly), 2008-07-04 12:27 but here, I would like changes to start replicating as soon as they are made. 2008-07-04 12:46 Any opinions, please? 2008-07-04 13:25 oh, he left 2008-07-04 14:57 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@c-24-6-86-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-04 16:48 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@c-24-6-86-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-04 21:43 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@c-24-6-86-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #zumastor irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Sat Jul 5 00:00:02 PDT 2008 irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Sun Jul 6 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-07-06 00:30 versioned volumes fuzztester made it through 3 million iterations flawlessly 2008-07-06 00:30 pgquiles, hi 2008-07-06 00:33 sorry, 5 million 2008-07-06 10:50 10 million test succeeded 2008-07-06 10:50 a pattern is developing 2008-07-06 11:21 flips: indeed 2008-07-06 11:21 flips: I'll try to setup my servers this week and see if I can reproduce the zumastor hang 2008-07-06 12:11 that would be fine irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Mon Jul 7 00:00:02 PDT 2008 2008-07-07 00:34 -!- jiayingz_(~jiayingz@202.106.180.68) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-07 03:22 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@62.43.226.52.static.user.ono.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-07 03:37 ACTION pulls the trigger on the versioned pointers post 2008-07-07 04:32 -!- pgquiles_(~pgquiles@62.43.226.52.static.user.ono.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-07 10:46 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-07 11:10 -!- mitchg(~mitchg@207.47.98.129.static.nextweb.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-07 12:28 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-07 12:34 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@62.43.226.52.static.user.ono.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-07 19:04 ACTION updates his git repo 2008-07-07 19:35 -!- jiayingz_(~jiayingz@202.106.180.68) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-07 23:49 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@62.43.226.52.static.user.ono.com) has joined #zumastor irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Tue Jul 8 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-07-08 01:14 -!- erwan_taf(~erwan@81.80.43.67) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-08 01:39 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@c-24-6-86-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-08 05:30 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@62.43.226.52.static.user.ono.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-08 10:26 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-08 11:26 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-08 12:44 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@61.Red-81-39-98.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-08 13:09 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@61.Red-81-39-98.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-08 13:55 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@61.Red-81-39-98.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-08 17:54 zissues: Issue 163 in zumastor: Specifying meta and snap device as the same device causes havoc. 2008-07-08 20:33 jiayingz, ping 2008-07-08 20:36 is china gmt+7? 2008-07-08 21:16 03Daniel.Raymond.Phillips * r1719 10/trunk/ddsnap/ddsnapd.c: 2008-07-08 21:16 ddsnapd error handling cleanup: provides a common error handler for the 2008-07-08 21:16 message handler 2008-07-08 21:26 03Daniel.Raymond.Phillips * r1720 10/trunk/ddsnap/ddsnap.c: 2008-07-08 21:26 Suppress compile warnings in ddsnap.c for possibly unitialized variables. 2008-07-08 21:26 Since all of the warnings probably indicate poor code structure, the 2008-07-08 21:26 variables are initialized to the macro "bogus", which is zero. The 2008-07-08 21:26 control flow badly needs to be cleaned up. 2008-07-08 21:55 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1719 build success 2008-07-08 22:20 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1720 build success 2008-07-08 22:28 03Daniel.Raymond.Phillips * r1721 10/trunk/ddsnap/ (daemonize.c ddsnapd.c daemonize.h): 2008-07-08 22:28 Refactor daemonize to have a separate setup_signals, which should not be 2008-07-08 22:28 part of daemonize. Call setup_signals when server runs in foreground, 2008-07-08 22:28 so now --foreground works again (broke when daemonize.c was merged). 2008-07-08 22:28 Later, clean up by removing setup_signals from daemonize() and call it 2008-07-08 22:28 separately wherever it is needed. 2008-07-08 22:30 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1719 install success 2008-07-08 22:34 03Daniel.Raymond.Phillips * r1722 10/trunk/ddsnap/Makefile: 2008-07-08 22:34 Clean up Makefile test targets. These where pretty much completely broken 2008-07-08 22:34 before so obviously nobody was using them. Use loopback files instead of 2008-07-08 22:34 /dev devices for the Makefile tests so everything up to creating a device 2008-07-08 22:34 mapper device can run as a normal user for quick first order tests. 2008-07-08 23:04 -!- erwan_taf(~erwan@konilope.linuxeries.org) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-08 23:05 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1721 build success 2008-07-08 23:05 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1720 install success 2008-07-08 23:30 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1721 install success 2008-07-08 23:30 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1722 build success irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Wed Jul 9 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-07-09 00:10 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1722 install success 2008-07-09 03:16 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1719 test failure 255 2008-07-09 03:57 hmm, I wonder which test failed 2008-07-09 05:40 --- cycle 19999999 --- 2008-07-09 05:40 write 0x3a0bdae1 to snapshot 2001676 version 16 2008-07-09 05:40 rewrite chunk 125 to 0x3a0bdae1 2008-07-09 05:40 --- cycle 20000000 --- 2008-07-09 05:40 write 0x1dc43ef8 to snapshot 2001681 version 3 2008-07-09 05:40 new exception [3, 135] 2008-07-09 05:40 19: ~2 [128] 2008-07-09 05:40 15: ~2 2008-07-09 05:40 2: ~2 [88] 2008-07-09 05:40 8: ~3 2008-07-09 05:40 5: '2001660' [113] 2008-07-09 05:40 23: ~2 2008-07-09 05:40 11: ~2 2008-07-09 05:40 4: '2001677' [114] 2008-07-09 05:40 17: '2001655' [133] 2008-07-09 05:40 22: ~3 2008-07-09 05:40 6: '2001673' [130] 2008-07-09 05:40 10: '2001674' [85] 2008-07-09 05:40 12: '2001651' [131] 2008-07-09 05:40 26: ~2 2008-07-09 05:41 7: '2001668' [129] 2008-07-09 05:41 20: '2001680' [134] 2008-07-09 05:41 16: '2001676' [125] 2008-07-09 05:41 25: '2001631' [124] 2008-07-09 05:41 3: '2001681' [135] 2008-07-09 05:41 13: '2001675' [132] 2008-07-09 05:41 18: '2001678' [123] 2008-07-09 05:41 1: '2001679' 2008-07-09 05:41 24: '2001664' [122] 2008-07-09 05:41 23 versions 2008-07-09 05:41 16 exceptions: [10, 85] [2, 88] [5, 113] [4, 114] [24, 122] [18, 123] [25, 124] [16, 125] [19, 128] [7, 129] [6, 130] [12, 131] [13, 132] [17, 133] [20, 134] [3, 135] 2008-07-09 05:41 20 million test 2008-07-09 07:16 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1722 test failure 255 2008-07-09 07:33 -!- pgquiles_(~pgquiles@62.43.226.52.static.user.ono.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-09 07:40 -!- pgquiles__(~pgquiles@61.Red-81-39-98.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-09 09:35 flips: You need to probably update cbtb/tests/1/ddsnap_msg.sh with your new error messages in ddsnap 2008-07-09 09:36 willn: I was just about to say that... 2008-07-09 09:36 failure is for "snapshot doesn't exist" 2008-07-09 09:37 flips: don't you run the cbtb tests before checking in? ;-) 2008-07-09 09:41 vandebo: Interns (and ex-interns) think alike I guess :) 2008-07-09 11:00 03vandebo * r1723 10/trunk/cbtb/tests/1/snapshot-microtests.sh: (log message trimmed) 2008-07-09 11:00 - Remove dependence on /lib/zumastor/common 2008-07-09 11:00 - Poison the raw devices to catch use of uninitialized storage 2008-07-09 11:00 - Remove temp files that may propagate state 2008-07-09 11:00 - Correct data padding so written patters are consistent 2008-07-09 11:00 - Correct a typo in failing output 2008-07-09 11:00 - Change shell to bash 2008-07-09 11:00 willn, thanks 2008-07-09 11:01 vandebo, it would seem that the concept of matching on the specific error message text is broken 2008-07-09 11:02 flips: yes, but there doesn't seem to be a better way to automatically test that functionality 2008-07-09 11:06 vandebo, return code? 2008-07-09 11:06 possibly, but keeping a consistent set of return codes is almost as hard as consistent error messages 2008-07-09 11:09 zero and non-zero 2008-07-09 11:10 that doesn't indicate the reason for the failure, which the test may be trying to decern, I haven't looked at it. 2008-07-09 11:12 yeah, that test was designed to actually make sure proper error messages are displayed with certain failure conditions 2008-07-09 11:14 willn, which message actually failed and where was that logged? 2008-07-09 11:14 http://groups.google.com/group/zumastor-commits/attach/0633396742992739/ddsnap_msg.sh.log?part=27 2008-07-09 11:15 03vandebo * r1724 10/trunk/ddsnap/ddsnap.c: 2008-07-09 11:15 When the snap and meta device are the same, use the same file descriptor, even if the device is specified twice. 2008-07-09 11:15 Closes issue 163. 2008-07-09 11:16 oh, fail to delete became failed to delete 2008-07-09 11:16 so this test likes to enshrine gramatical mistakes 2008-07-09 11:16 got to be a better way 2008-07-09 11:25 ok, it is wrong to check for specific error texts, that is a job for users, not test scripts 2008-07-09 11:26 the test script should only be verifying that a nonzero error code comes back 2008-07-09 11:26 except where the man page defines other return codes 2008-07-09 11:26 03vandebo * r1725 10/trunk/ddsnap/ddsnapd.c: 2008-07-09 11:26 Round down the size of the origin device to a multiple of the chunk size. 2008-07-09 11:26 - Works around brokenness in the kernel block device code. 2008-07-09 11:26 - Probably avoids ddsnap bugs, in revert if not anywhere else. 2008-07-09 11:29 03vandebo * r1724 10/trunk/ddsnap/ddsnap.c: 2008-07-09 11:29 When the snap and meta device are the same, use the same file descriptor, even if the device is specified twice. 2008-07-09 11:29 Closes issue 163. 2008-07-09 11:29 03vandebo * r1725 10/trunk/ddsnap/ddsnapd.c: 2008-07-09 11:29 Round down the size of the origin device to a multiple of the chunk size. 2008-07-09 11:29 - Works around brokenness in the kernel block device code. 2008-07-09 11:29 - Probably avoids ddsnap bugs, in revert if not anywhere else. 2008-07-09 11:30 flips: eh, It helps to make sure we show the right error message for a certain kind of failure 2008-07-09 11:30 Otherwise we end up with the zumastor 'dont forget to define source on target...' for all kinds of ssh failures 2008-07-09 11:32 usability tests are hard to automate, they break just like this 2008-07-09 11:33 whoever writes a test that depends on specific, non-documented text should be prepared to fix it when it breaks 2008-07-09 11:33 either that or when you change the generator, you change the test too :) 2008-07-09 11:33 shouldn't you test code before submitting it? ;-) 2008-07-09 11:34 vandebo, when I have an automatic tester? 2008-07-09 11:34 no. 2008-07-09 11:34 well 2008-07-09 11:34 of course the code was tested 2008-07-09 11:34 I did not test our automatic tester 2008-07-09 11:34 especially when you have an automatic tester... 2008-07-09 11:34 If you tested it in some way other than to use the automatic tester, those tests should be added to the automatic tester 2008-07-09 11:35 vandebo, you can add those tests, and see you many weeks later 2008-07-09 11:35 I didn't say good testing was free 2008-07-09 11:37 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1723 build success 2008-07-09 11:37 the eternal tension between dev and test 2008-07-09 11:37 test side should take more of the load in my opinion 2008-07-09 11:37 and when we spend a year building an automatic tester, we should use it automatically, not manually 2008-07-09 11:39 and to be fair, willn does way more than test 2008-07-09 11:39 pretty much the idea project member ;-) 2008-07-09 11:40 I agree that there should be a way to submit a patch to be tested without committing it 2008-07-09 11:40 testing is hard that that's why the dev side should take some of the responsibility 2008-07-09 11:41 but testing should never slow down dev 2008-07-09 11:41 it should speed it up 2008-07-09 11:41 if it doesn't then the strategy needs to be rethought 2008-07-09 11:43 that's not a fair statement, testing is an integral part of development. 2008-07-09 11:45 responding to test failures is a good use of dev time 2008-07-09 11:48 the classic way to bring a good project to its knees is mire the devs in process 2008-07-09 11:49 pretty soon you end up with devs whose only talent is following process 2008-07-09 11:49 this is the stuff of which software project failures are made 2008-07-09 11:54 when the error does not match, it appears the non-matching text is not reported to the log 2008-07-09 11:54 willn, is that right? 2008-07-09 11:58 willn, the tester did catch a bug 2008-07-09 11:58 so ++cred for the tester 2008-07-09 11:59 the bug is, the error text was assigned to a variable that shadowed the global error text variable 2008-07-09 11:59 now... the issue is, whether we are going to let the tester catch such things automatically, or we are going to slow things down by requiring the automatic tester to be run by hand for each change 2008-07-09 12:00 I say, we let the computer do some work 2008-07-09 12:02 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1723 install success 2008-07-09 12:12 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1725 build failure 100 2008-07-09 12:19 ddsnap delete /tmp/server 0 2008-07-09 12:19 could not delete snapshot because snapshot doesn't exist (Invalid argument) 2008-07-09 12:19 ok, good 2008-07-09 12:19 willn, I like cbtb now :-) 2008-07-09 12:20 it did some work for me 2008-07-09 12:24 03Daniel.Raymond.Phillips * r1726 10/trunk/ddsnap/ddsnapd.c: 2008-07-09 12:24 The new common error variables were shadowed in some cases by local variables, 2008-07-09 12:24 causing the error messages to be lost. Fixed. 2008-07-09 12:50 vandebo, ping 2008-07-09 12:57 pong 2008-07-09 12:57 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1726 build success 2008-07-09 12:58 this now runs directly on top of ddsnap without involving zumastor? http://code.google.com/p/zumastor/source/detail?r=1723 2008-07-09 12:58 yes 2008-07-09 12:59 that is right and good 2008-07-09 12:59 in the earlier discussion re sourcing /lib/zumastor, I thought you were testing zumastor script functionality 2008-07-09 13:00 it is much better to run on the ddsnap metal 2008-07-09 13:01 1725 build failure was a network failure ?? 2008-07-09 13:02 link? 2008-07-09 13:02 http://groups.google.com/group/zumastor-commits/t/ae1b65b602c63049 2008-07-09 13:02 no idea 2008-07-09 13:03 see you soon 2008-07-09 13:03 must be, as 1726 built fine 2008-07-09 13:22 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1726 install success 2008-07-09 16:27 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1723 test failure 1 2008-07-09 16:52 lastest test failure seems to also be due to network problems 2008-07-09 18:00 -!- jiayingz_(~jiayingz@202.106.180.68) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-09 20:48 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1726 test failure 1 2008-07-09 22:26 shall we revert patches until we find the one that broke? 2008-07-09 23:22 woohoo I got a response on versioned pointers irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Thu Jul 10 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-07-10 00:28 what stops the log from being filled with this message when a snapshot is squashed? warn("trying to write squashed snapshot, id = %u", body->id); 2008-07-10 01:23 -!- erwan_taf(~erwan@70-46-18-26.atl.fdn.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-10 04:56 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@61.Red-81-39-98.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-10 10:09 vandebo, there? 2008-07-10 11:04 -!- pgquiles_(~pgquiles@61.Red-81-39-98.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-10 11:27 now 2008-07-10 13:31 zissues: Issue 164 in zumastor: Writes to the origin sometimes fail 2008-07-10 16:13 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-10 22:19 -!- jiayingz(~jiayingz@207.47.98.129.static.nextweb.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-10 22:19 -!- zbot(wan@209.67.252.126) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-10 22:31 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@c-24-6-86-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-10 22:32 -!- ChanServ changed topic to "http://www.zumastor.org | http://code.google.com/p/zumastor | Next release number 0.8.0" irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Fri Jul 11 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-07-11 00:46 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@61.Red-81-39-98.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-11 02:54 -!- pgquiles_(~pgquiles@61.Red-81-39-98.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-11 05:47 zissues: Issue 165 in zumastor: wrong checksum recorded in commit block 2008-07-11 06:17 zissues: Issue 166 in zumastor: The current flush criteria is not enoug to prevent overwriting old journal blocks 2008-07-11 06:22 zissues: Issue 167 in zumastor: the current ddsnap code does not check if journal size is too small 2008-07-11 10:13 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-11 12:55 -!- tim_vimm(~Tim@cpe-76-90-98-247.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-11 13:43 -!- tim_vimm(~Tim@cpe-76-90-98-247.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-11 13:58 -!- tim_vimm(~Tim@cpe-76-90-98-247.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-11 15:01 -!- phoenix24(~phoenix24@122.167.71.164) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-11 18:31 -!- tim_vimm(~Tim@cpe-76-90-98-247.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-11 21:36 03jiahotcake * r1727 10/trunk/cbtb/tests/1/ddsnap_replay_journal.sh: 2008-07-11 21:36 Extend ddsnap_replay_journal.sh to test ddsnap journal 2008-07-11 21:36 replay with different chunk sizes. 2008-07-11 22:11 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1727 build success 2008-07-11 22:41 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1727 install success irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Sat Jul 12 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-07-12 01:57 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@61.Red-81-39-98.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-12 03:11 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1727 test success 2008-07-12 08:53 -!- tim_vimm(~Tim@cpe-76-90-98-247.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-12 10:50 -!- tim_vimm(~Tim@cpe-76-90-98-247.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-12 14:45 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@71.Red-81-37-107.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Sun Jul 13 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-07-13 13:03 having a little bit of fun browsing bugs.opensolaris.org 2008-07-13 13:04 e.g. http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6721869 2008-07-13 13:04 no shortage of panicks irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Mon Jul 14 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-07-14 00:38 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@47.Red-79-153-82.staticIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-14 08:35 -!- SEJeff(~jeff__@66.151.59.138) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-14 14:34 -!- CIA-4(~CIA@208.69.182.149.simpli.biz) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-14 19:27 -!- zumbi(~zumbi@193.132.219.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-14 19:29 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@47.Red-79-153-82.staticIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-14 21:28 -!- flipz(daniel@63.83.109.200) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-14 22:35 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1728 build success 2008-07-14 23:00 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1728 install success irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Tue Jul 15 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-07-15 00:50 -!- willn(wan@4ce0aefb.colo.compbrain.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-15 01:25 -!- pgquiles_(~pgquiles@62.43.226.52.static.user.ono.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-15 03:20 zbuild: zumastor b0.10.0 r1728 test failure 10 2008-07-15 05:21 03Daniel.Raymond.Phillips * r1728 10/trunk/ddsnap/ddsnapd.c: trivial moves and cleanups for background delete 2008-07-15 07:45 -!- shapor(~shapor@yzf.shapor.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-15 09:05 03Daniel.Raymond.Phillips * r1729 10/trunk/ddsnap/ddsnapd.c: Auto test failed so let's revert the trivial patch and see if that was it 2008-07-15 09:06 -!- pgquiles__(~pgquiles@47.Red-79-153-82.staticIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-15 09:39 jiayingz, there? 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2008-07-16 22:55 jiayingz I mean 2008-07-16 23:03 tux3 was announced today in MTV 2008-07-16 23:03 design was whiteboarded for two groups 2008-07-16 23:03 coding is in progress irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Thu Jul 17 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-07-17 00:13 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@80.31.124.81) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-17 01:21 hola pgquiles 2008-07-17 01:23 hi 2008-07-17 01:24 gave a tech talk on zumastor to google engineers in mountain view today 2008-07-17 01:25 mentioned that we have roughly 5 deployment blockers, one of them yours 2008-07-17 01:27 maybe my blocker is not actually a blocker. I really need to find some time to setup Zumastor-trunk + VMware again and find out where the problem is, in Zumastor or in my servers 2008-07-17 01:28 I'm regarding it as a blocker until I hear otherwise 2008-07-17 01:29 your talk is not online yet :-) 2008-07-17 01:29 it won't be 2008-07-17 01:29 google secret talk 2008-07-17 01:30 but it was developed from the talk I gave at FAST 08, the slides of which I can psot 2008-07-17 01:30 psot 2008-07-17 01:30 post 2008-07-17 01:33 oh :-( 2008-07-17 03:22 -!- pgquiles_(~pgquiles@62.43.226.52.static.user.ono.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-17 04:07 -!- pgquiles__(~pgquiles@80.31.124.81) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-17 05:43 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@c-24-6-86-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-17 08:44 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@80.31.124.81) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-17 11:57 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-17 13:04 -!- flipz(~phlipz@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-17 15:06 -!- flipz(~phlipz@216.239.45.19) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-17 15:25 -!- flipz(~phlipz@216.239.45.19) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-17 17:22 -!- flipz(~phlipz@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-17 19:11 -!- flipz(~phlipz@216.239.45.19) has joined #zumastor irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Fri Jul 18 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-07-18 00:16 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@c-24-6-86-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-18 11:03 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-18 13:25 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-18 17:42 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@71.Red-81-37-107.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Sat Jul 19 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-07-19 02:45 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@c-24-6-86-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-19 06:53 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@71.Red-81-37-107.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Sun Jul 20 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-07-20 06:59 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@48.Red-83-39-61.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-20 07:16 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@48.Red-83-39-61.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-20 19:02 "I will be most interested in following this. It is exactly the sort 2008-07-20 19:02 of delicate logic and careful coding that I most enjoy. I wish you the best of luck with it. Please add me to your mailing list" -- private response to the versioned pointers post irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Mon Jul 21 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-07-21 01:15 :-) 2008-07-21 01:25 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@48.Red-83-39-61.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-21 02:53 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@48.Red-83-39-61.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-21 03:06 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@48.Red-83-39-61.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-21 05:12 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@48.Red-83-39-61.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-21 11:19 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-21 11:42 exhibit A: http://phunq.net/fit.pc.open.jpg 2008-07-21 11:42 exhibit B: http://mygadgetbee.com/misc-gadgets/intel-launching-its-own-z-p230-pata-solid-state-drive 2008-07-21 11:42 http://www.intel.com/design/flash/nand/z-p230/index.htm 2008-07-21 12:45 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-21 14:29 http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=260705 <- linux dev tries to help solaris guys recognize and fix their flaws 2008-07-21 14:29 (without much success) 2008-07-21 14:42 flips: there was a KDE guy, George Wright IIRC, who replaced his laptop harddrive with a compactflash card + adapter 2008-07-21 14:42 32 GB 2008-07-21 14:42 it's not the same but you don't need to wait :-) 2008-07-21 14:42 I like the little tiny intel one though 2008-07-21 14:43 and I can wait :-) 2008-07-21 14:43 :-) 2008-07-21 14:43 news flash: I just registered tux3.org 2008-07-21 14:43 and anybody interested can /join #tux3 here 2008-07-21 14:44 tux3, a new versioning filesystem based on my versioned pointers work, that one day may be a more efficient solution for snapshots and replication than ddsnap 2008-07-21 14:44 quite possibly may be more efficient than ZFS as well 2008-07-21 14:45 apparently it is not hard to be more efficient than ZFS 2008-07-21 14:45 :-) 2008-07-21 14:47 is it a real filesystem or something on top of ext3, XFS, etc? 2008-07-21 14:47 a real filesystem 2008-07-21 14:47 current code is being developed in user space 2008-07-21 14:47 there are two developers on it already 2008-07-21 14:47 and one more waiting for a mailing list 2008-07-21 14:50 looks like a considerable effort to me 2008-07-21 14:50 it is 2008-07-21 14:50 and I don't know anything low-level about filesystems, which make it look even larger =) 2008-07-21 15:05 indeed 2008-07-21 15:06 kernel filesystems require years of experience to have any hope of getting right 2008-07-21 15:06 much of the documentation is lore 2008-07-21 16:04 ddt-zumastor: phunq.net Git - zumastor/.git/rss log 2008-07-21 16:24 -!- flips(~phillips@phunq.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-21 16:52 zumastor/.git/rss ? 2008-07-21 16:52 oh 2008-07-21 16:52 it dropped off the net for a while, maybe 2008-07-21 16:52 or what 2008-07-21 16:52 i dont know i was wondering what that was 2008-07-21 16:52 that bot is something willn set up 2008-07-21 16:53 that was me futzing with the apache config 2008-07-21 16:53 oh 2008-07-21 16:53 now futzing with exim config 2008-07-21 16:53 pain 2008-07-21 16:53 heh 2008-07-21 17:04 test 2008-07-21 17:04 From: Daniel Phillips 2008-07-21 17:04 To: daniel@tux3.org 2008-07-21 17:04 2008-07-21 17:04 test 2008-07-21 17:04 configuring exim really hurts 2008-07-21 17:23 flips: enjoying being your own sysadmin? 2008-07-21 17:23 double plus not 2008-07-21 17:27 ok, exim configured according to the mailman docs. I suppose this is when the pain starts for real 2008-07-21 17:32 shapor: its a gozerbot 2008-07-21 22:29 -!- zumalog(~zumalog@yzf.shapor.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-21 23:22 woohoo, I got the mailman list create page 2008-07-21 23:33 "The requested method POST is not allowed for the URL /cgi-bin/mailman/create" 2008-07-21 23:33 what the fsck does that mean? irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Tue Jul 22 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-07-22 00:03 -!- nataliep_(~nataliep@207.47.98.129.static.nextweb.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-22 00:31 You have successfully created the mailing list tux3 and notification has been sent to the list owner phillips@phunq.net. You can now: 2008-07-22 00:31 phew 2008-07-22 00:32 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@c-24-6-86-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-22 00:58 "Tux3 post from phillips@phunq.net requires approval" 2008-07-22 00:58 :-) 2008-07-22 01:00 http://tux3.org/pipermail/tux3/2008-July/date.html 2008-07-22 01:08 http://tux3.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tux3 2008-07-22 01:08 everybody welcome 2008-07-22 01:13 ok, check it out: http://tux3.org/ 2008-07-22 01:28 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@48.Red-83-39-61.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-22 01:29 pgquiles, check it out: http://tux3.org/ 2008-07-22 01:31 subscribed 2008-07-22 01:32 :-) 2008-07-22 01:32 www.tux3.org does not work, DNS issue I gues 2008-07-22 01:32 you are the first 2008-07-22 01:32 s 2008-07-22 01:32 oh 2008-07-22 01:32 right 2008-07-22 01:32 www. just isn't set up 2008-07-22 04:48 -!- erwan_taf(~erwan@81.80.43.67) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-22 10:58 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-22 12:43 -!- SEJeff(~jeff__@66.151.59.138) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-22 13:23 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #zumastor irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Wed Jul 23 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-07-23 01:30 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@48.Red-83-39-61.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-23 09:27 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@48.Red-83-39-61.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-23 09:27 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-23 09:27 -!- nataliep_(~nataliep@207.47.98.129.static.nextweb.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-23 09:27 -!- shapor(~shapor@yzf.shapor.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-23 09:27 -!- CIA-4(~CIA@208.69.182.149.simpli.biz) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-23 09:27 -!- jiayingz(~jiayingz@207.47.98.129.static.nextweb.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-23 09:27 -!- zbot(wan@209.67.252.126) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-23 09:27 -!- zumbi(~zumbi@193.132.219.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-23 17:47 flips: ping irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Thu Jul 24 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-07-24 00:40 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@c-24-6-86-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-24 00:52 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@48.Red-83-39-61.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-24 01:01 pgquiles, pong 2008-07-24 01:03 flips: yesterday I saw DragonflyBSD 2.0 had been released and it includes HAMMER. What do you think of that filesystem? :-? 2008-07-24 01:03 I haven't looked at it, but I will now 2008-07-24 01:05 it looks good to me but I'm not qualified to say so :-) 2008-07-24 01:05 it's by matt dillon, that's a good sign 2008-07-24 01:12 http://kerneltrap.org/DragonFlyBSD/HAMMER_Filesystem_Design 2008-07-24 01:32 flips: http://apollo.backplane.com/DFlyMisc/hammer01.pdf 2008-07-24 02:49 -!- pgquiles_(~pgquiles@62.43.226.52.static.user.ono.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-24 03:18 -!- pgquiles__(~pgquiles@48.Red-83-39-61.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-24 06:44 -!- pgquiles_(~pgquiles@62.43.226.52.static.user.ono.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-24 07:02 -!- pgquiles__(~pgquiles@48.Red-83-39-61.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-24 12:27 read the hammer design doc 2008-07-24 12:27 I see matt hit on a similar idea, his birth and death version numbers for disk records 2008-07-24 12:28 though I found that only the birth was required 2008-07-24 12:28 eventually matt should realize that too 2008-07-24 12:28 also, he seems to support only a linear chain of versions 2008-07-24 12:28 no versions of versions 2008-07-24 12:28 some aspects of the design seem quite inefficient 2008-07-24 12:29 seems somewhat cavalier about running out of space on small volumes 2008-07-24 12:29 the heavy use of a vacuum like process, reblocking, seems costly 2008-07-24 12:29 though I contemplated something similar for ddsnap 2008-07-24 12:31 "Hammer is not designed to run on tiny amounts of disk space, it is designed to 2008-07-24 12:31 run on 500GB+ disks and while you can run it spaces as small as one GB..." 2008-07-24 12:32 "Active management means running the hammer softprune and hammer reblock 2008-07-24 12:32 family of commands in a daily cron job to keep things clean. The hammer utility" 2008-07-24 12:34 fanout of the hammer btree is only 64 vs 256 for tux3 using the same 4K btree blocks 2008-07-24 12:34 I don't see how that can help performance 2008-07-24 12:36 I think I can get the fanout up to 512 too 2008-07-24 12:36 by having a different format for the next-to-terminal inode table index blocks 2008-07-24 12:38 16 bits inum, 48 bits leaf block, because at the near-terminal index nodes the inum space is already divided down to a small range 2008-07-24 14:14 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-24 15:41 flips: I know it's too early but, do you have an ETA for tux3? :-) 2008-07-24 15:41 when its ready? 2008-07-24 15:42 I'm going to take summer holidays and spend it working on tux3 2008-07-24 15:42 hopefully will result in a working prototype with the simplifications I mentioned in the post 2008-07-24 15:43 cool! 2008-07-24 21:26 http://www.elpauer.org/ 2008-07-24 21:48 -!- 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15:41 hi 2008-07-29 15:43 hi 2008-07-29 15:43 what's up? 2008-07-29 15:44 given the number of e-mails you are writing on the design of tux3, you could write a "The Design and Implementation of the Tux3 filesystem" as well :-) 2008-07-29 15:44 it would be quite instructive 2008-07-29 15:44 it seems to be heading that way 2008-07-29 15:45 you are only missing the first chapters of the book: basic filesystems stuff, like what is an extent, dirent, etc 2008-07-29 15:45 matt dillon has been most helpful 2008-07-29 15:45 right 2008-07-29 15:48 reading the thread matt and you are writing, it looks like hammer and tux3 are very similar 2008-07-29 15:48 more similarities than differences 2008-07-29 15:49 both use the idea of labelling data with a version tag instead of creating multiple tree roots 2008-07-29 15:50 ddsnap is going to use the versioning method too, as soon as I can get to integrating it 2008-07-29 15:51 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-29 15:54 how are the SoC students progressing, btw? 2008-07-29 15:54 my soc student completely disappeared 2008-07-29 15:54 heard from him once a week before the midpoint 2008-07-29 15:54 or two weeks before 2008-07-29 15:54 told him he needed to do a lot of work to be able to continue 2008-07-29 15:54 never heard back 2008-07-29 15:55 :-p 2008-07-29 15:55 the problem is, the candidate was not properly interviewed 2008-07-29 15:55 decision to go ahead was based only on the submission 2008-07-29 15:55 not on checking out the capability of the candidate 2008-07-29 15:56 he wanted to do too much in too little time, IMO 2008-07-29 15:56 one of the two "features" he wanted to implement was enough for a SoC 2008-07-29 15:57 does not explain why he just disappeared 2008-07-29 15:57 I suspect he was way overstating his ability 2008-07-29 15:57 I don't know 2008-07-29 15:57 neither do I 2008-07-29 15:57 a waste of all our time in the end 2008-07-29 15:57 last year a very good developer vanished from KDE 2008-07-29 15:58 we are still wondering what happened to him 2008-07-29 15:58 SoC needs a better qualification process 2008-07-29 15:58 hmm 2008-07-29 15:58 SoC should not offer money, IMHO 2008-07-29 15:58 I think that was the problem in this case 2008-07-29 15:58 suspect 2008-07-29 15:58 a lot of people are only motivated by the money, then they produce code which goes unmaintaned 2008-07-29 15:59 in this case nothing at all was produced except the application 2008-07-29 15:59 problem is, if you don't offer money, some people will better get a job or internship 2008-07-29 15:59 wow, I thought he produced some code 2008-07-29 15:59 none 2008-07-29 21:08 -!- m0rg0th(~m0rg0th@74.125.63.33) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-29 21:15 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@c-24-6-86-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-29 21:53 -!- zumbi(~zumbi@39.132.219.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) has joined #zumastor irc.oftc.net #zumastor log beginning Wed Jul 30 00:00:01 PDT 2008 2008-07-30 02:02 -!- 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jennyf(~jennyf@212-198-248-33.rev.numericable.fr) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-31 16:44 flips: you are (more) famous now: http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2008/07/31/new-linux-file-system-in-development-tux3/ 2008-07-31 16:44 that blog is linked from planetkde, which is read by lots of people 2008-07-31 17:35 :-) 2008-07-31 17:36 I saw your post in the comments, thanks 2008-07-31 17:38 it's funny I blogged about tux3 in my site ( http://www.elpauer.org/?p=264 ) but I didn't post that to the planet because it was clearly not KDE-related and now Roland blogs in the planet :-D 2008-07-31 19:43 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@c-24-6-86-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-31 20:13 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@c-24-6-86-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-31 21:19 -!- MaZe(~MaZe@c-24-6-86-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #zumastor 2008-07-31 21:19 yahoo is crawling me again 2008-07-31 21:20 spends a lot of time in there 2008-07-31 21:20 likes to generate every mercurial version 2008-07-31 21:22 pgquiles, your post on elpauer.org seems to have gotten quite heavily linked 2008-07-31 21:24 pgquiles, btw, what does "pauer" mean? 2008-07-31 21:24 power?